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Post by skinheadskippy on May 30, 2007 17:23:59 GMT 10
Yup, that's it, hon - just be aware of it. Simple as that. For example, if you start out with a thread about Frank's pants (yeesh, that's random, isn't it?  ) and gradually start talking about something else to do with Frank in that thread, then by all means, make another thread if you're on a roll with it! |
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Post by nyandra on May 30, 2007 22:08:10 GMT 10
I feel as though this thread has proved my point, you were all trying to make it so that we'd stay on topic and be all like little robots that following the rules that are programmed into us and yet 2 of the mods decided they'd have fun and go off topic! does this not show that off topic can be fun and makes things interesting, spice up what was intially a boring thread? A very large number of our members go off topic and thats because they like to say stuff as they think of it, i personally can't see a problem with it, it keeps things fun and exciting because you never really know what might be said next. Enough of trying to make rules and regulations its a lano & woodley forum, not parliment, none of our members seem to be complaing except you! Actually, lots of members complain, and/or don't come back at all. We're not trying to get you to act like robots. Trust us. We've run forums before. And, of course it was a 'boring' thread, it was administration stuff! |
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Post by ~Fletch~ on May 31, 2007 8:19:06 GMT 10
i don't care how many forums you've run i honestly couldn't care less, every forum and there members are different!
how bout you do what you want to do and i'll do what i want to do. and i can certainly tell you that i'm not going to tell anyone to go back on topic nor am i going to becareful that i'm staying on topic i'm going to say what i like and when, and i hope others do the same.
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Post by skinheadskippy on May 31, 2007 10:45:34 GMT 10
Fletch - Liz and Nyree are the two founders of this forum. If they wish for their members to be mindful of going off-topic, then we have to respect those wishes. The fact that a whole topic was created about this shows that it has become an issue. So instead of being catty, how about being constuctive?
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Post by ~Fletch~ on May 31, 2007 12:31:08 GMT 10
I'm not being catty merely expressing my opion which i am entitled to do.
the fact that this thread was created goes to show the Nyandra has a problem with it, you all just agreed.
i think your all taking this far to seriously its a bloody forum not a workplace its a fun place not a serious place!!!
why don't we make a poll and ask all the forum members what there thoughts about it are and then see what the results tell us.
however if it does so happen that we do end up with 10 thousand threads because we can't go off topic without being told to make a thread, than i will be the first one out of here. i'm not going to stay on a forum that is over run by mods with their rules!!!
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Post by skinheadskippy on May 31, 2007 12:43:54 GMT 10
the fact that this thread was created goes to show the Nyandra has a problem with it, you all just agreed. Uh...yeah...meaning that it's not just affecting one person. however if it does so happen that we do end up with 10 thousand threads because we can't go off topic without being told to make a thread, than i will be the first one out of here. i'm not going to stay on a forum that is over run by mods with their rules!!! Sweetie, you ARE aware that you're one of these evil moderators, aren't you? (Come to the dark side!  ) And what's wrong with 10,000 threads? It'd be a little time-consuming but it'd definitely liven up the forum! |
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Post by liz on May 31, 2007 12:44:06 GMT 10
hmm and this is why I locked the thread in teh first place. Nyandra was just simply saying dont always go off topic, try and stick to the topic and create a new thread if you want to waffle about something. Good to have a debate but yes no need for it here i think.
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Post by ~Fletch~ on May 31, 2007 13:15:03 GMT 10
no i'm not an evil mod, i do very little with the mod 'powers' that i have, i use them to correct mistakes and ensure that members that are causing major shit fights are delt with.
can i just clear one thing up, we don't want people going off topic because its causes confusion? however if you have a shitload of new threads being made for different topics then woudn't that cause more confusion and people wouldn't know were to post??
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Post by nyandra on May 31, 2007 22:30:38 GMT 10
I'm not being catty merely expressing my opion which i am entitled to do. the fact that this thread was created goes to show the Nyandra has a problem with it, you all just agreed. i think your all taking this far to seriously its a bloody forum not a workplace its a fun place not a serious place!!! why don't we make a poll and ask all the forum members what there thoughts about it are and then see what the results tell us. however if it does so happen that we do end up with 10 thousand threads because we can't go off topic without being told to make a thread, than i will be the first one out of here. i'm not going to stay on a forum that is over run by mods with their rules!!! Making a poll on this issue is *not* appropriate, especially for the members rather than amongst the mods. Staying on topic is a basic principle of all *good* forums. Why does it MATTER if there are ten thousand threads? There's no limit. And I'm sorry, but the mods *follow* and *help enforce* the rules that the *admins make*. That's the point of being a mod- to enforce the rules. It's not just part of some game or so that you get to have a title under your name. |
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Post by nyandra on May 31, 2007 22:33:14 GMT 10
hmm and this is why I locked the thread in teh first place. Nyandra was just simply saying dont always go off topic, try and stick to the topic and create a new thread if you want to waffle about something. Good to have a debate but yes no need for it here i think. Locking for abuse and for going off topic are two different things. Yes, that is all I was saying. There is no need for you, Fletch, to be so angry about it. Nor should any of the mods just say 'well, it's just Nyandra saying it, so i'll just ignore it'. I said it for a reason. People agree with it. And it's a very very usual thing to have on a forum. People only go totally off topic on forums that well. Don't run very well, shall I say. |
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Post by nyandra on May 31, 2007 22:34:49 GMT 10
no i'm not an evil mod, i do very little with the mod 'powers' that i have, i use them to correct mistakes and ensure that members that are causing major shit fights are delt with. can i just clear one thing up, we don't want people going off topic because its causes confusion? however if you have a shitload of new threads being made for different topics then woudn't that cause more confusion and people wouldn't know were to post?? Um, no? That's what most normal forums do. There won't be a 'shitload' of new threads. The point of a forum is to discuss things- and to know where things are that are being discussed is the whole reason for threads. Sometimes people here treat threads as though it's an msn conversation. Threads are *not* a 'start here and see where you end up' thing. |
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Post by ~Fletch~ on Jun 1, 2007 10:20:09 GMT 10
But if you have alot of different threads all over the place won't people become confused as to which thread they should actually post in?
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Post by nyandra on Jun 1, 2007 11:36:03 GMT 10
No. that's what the title is for- to indicate what the thread is about. And, I AM *mainly* just talking about in the areas where we talk about Col and Frank, and *extreme* examples of offtopicness in other areas. You do have to have a level of common sense about it- like, reading what has been said before you.
As it is, with everyone constantly going off topic, I get VERY confused, and then I don't want to talk at all.
Maybe someone has an example of a well topiced forum that they can show Fletch?
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Post by ~Fletch~ on Jun 1, 2007 12:24:17 GMT 10
Fletch doesn't care anymore.
i can understand were you coming from . . .
i'm happy with it as long as we don't go too overboard with it all.
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Post by Illyria on Jun 1, 2007 14:00:47 GMT 10
*shuffles in* Soz to interrupt and all... As an Admin/Mod/Member of many boards I can sort of emphasise with both points of view. In normal conversation it's natural to start on one topic then veer off in a totally different direction. Although, having said that, this is a forum and not really "normal conversation"... I'd say that my Sailor Moon themed board is fairly good at keeping things on track - some people may veer off the subject but they'll always check themselves and steer it back, or the GMods/Mods will politely ask them to do it, or make a post that relates to the subject. On another hand, I recently joined a Mighty Boosh forum that has over 4000 members, many of whom are long term people who've been there for ages, so they have their established groups. Many times I'll click onto a thread and have to scroll through a few pages of off-topic banter in order to find something that relates back to the thread subject, which can get rather irritating to say the least, and often I get put off reading through the thread. However having said that, at my own board, the Collective, we tend to go off topic a lot - although, that is mainly in the sections that allow for that sort of chatter... I guess what I mean to say is, members should respect the Mods' decisions about things, and the Mods should respect the members in return - give a little, get a little, that old chestnut. God how long-winded was that?  I just wanted to say that I understand both sides of the argument though, and I can see how starting many threads for a different topic could wind up getting confusing - although, maybe if, say, for example, someone started talking about Dylan Moran in a thread about L&W, well - there could be an "on topic" feel if they're comparing the styles or something along those lines. Otherwise, there is a Dylan Moran thread (or 2) that the train of thought could easily be posted in, which means it's stopped one thread from being off topic, but hasn't required a totally new one to be started... Does that make sense at all? Anyways! I'll leave it at that now, seeing as you seem to have resolved the issue... Just another person's thoughts really We want the place to be friendly for all, right? |
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Post by nyandra on Jun 1, 2007 14:08:35 GMT 10
I honestly do not see how different threads for different topics would be confusing. It's not an msn conversation. Many conversations go on at once on a forum- therefore they have to be seperated by topic. Hence different threads.
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Post by Illyria on Jun 1, 2007 15:09:09 GMT 10
I guess my thought would be, if you can keep something under one roof, why does it need to have 5 threads?
So you could maybe, start a thread about childhood TV shows, for example - and keep it all together, rather than one person starting a thread about, say, Captain Planet, then another starting a new one about Inspector Gadget, and yet another person starting yet another thread about the Care Bears or something like that. They're all able to fit under one category (cartoons or whatever)...
Or, and this is at the Mighty Boosh forum. They have different threads for things that I think aren't necessary, like a thread to talk about Noel Fielding's eyes, and another one to talk about something else about him, etc... Why not just have one thread just about him and talk about all those things?
I dunno. Sometimes I think too many threads = too much clutter, but ... *shrug*
Different strokes for different folks.
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Post by ~Fletch~ on Jun 1, 2007 15:15:14 GMT 10
you've summed up what i was trying to say except you were able to put it in more understandable words!!
like for example say that i'm talking in a thread about franks hat which is like his like his trade then i remember a trade mark of a different comedian i don't want to put it in the frank thread becoz that will be deemed off topic but its in my head now i wanna type it now cause i just thought of it and have an exciting story to tell so i start a new thread about this other comedian and becoz im in a hurry i don't look first to see if there is already a thread in relation to that comedian or comedians trademarks . . .
so we end up with alot of threads about similar issues!
that has probably confused ppl even more than they already are but i know what i mean.
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Post by nyandra on Jun 1, 2007 17:53:08 GMT 10
I guess my thought would be, if you can keep something under one roof, why does it need to have 5 threads? So you could maybe, start a thread about childhood TV shows, for example - and keep it all together, rather than one person starting a thread about, say, Captain Planet, then another starting a new one about Inspector Gadget, and yet another person starting yet another thread about the Care Bears or something like that. They're all able to fit under one category (cartoons or whatever)... Or, and this is at the Mighty Boosh forum. They have different threads for things that I think aren't necessary, like a thread to talk about Noel Fielding's eyes, and another one to talk about something else about him, etc... Why not just have one thread just about him and talk about all those things? I dunno. Sometimes I think too many threads = too much clutter, but ... *shrug* Different strokes for different folks. I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone wants to make a thread like 'hey, what favourite tv shows as a kid do you still like now?' and then that'd be fine to mix stuff up. If it's "oh gosh i totally have to discuss this thing about this certain nostalgia show!' then, why NOT have a thread like that and keep it on topic? Hijacking a specific thread to talk about 'everything' is just silly. The point of a forum is to talk. There's nothing wrong with having lots of threads. It encourages conversation. Now, Noel Fieldings eyes thread and a Julian Barrat look hot in pink underwear thread, that would be a little much. BUT you ARE allowed to have more than one Boosh related thread. Just use common sense. And in the LW discussion sections, i definitely *do* want to see different threads, as long as they're not a total repeat of other recent ones. More LW discussion that doesn't go totally off topic from the original thought? would be FANTASTIC. |
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Post by nyandra on Jun 1, 2007 17:57:21 GMT 10
you've summed up what i was trying to say except you were able to put it in more understandable words!! like for example say that i'm talking in a thread about franks hat which is like his like his trade then i remember a trade mark of a different comedian i don't want to put it in the frank thread becoz that will be deemed off topic but its in my head now i wanna type it now cause i just thought of it and have an exciting story to tell so i start a new thread about this other comedian and becoz im in a hurry i don't look first to see if there is already a thread in relation to that comedian or comedians trademarks . . . so we end up with alot of threads about similar issues! that has probably confused ppl even more than they already are but i know what i mean. But people have been doing things like being in a thread say about a certain scene on the adventures of LW, and then randomly going on about other stuff. I don't feel that people should do that. And i'm sorry but if you forget what you were going to say about some other comedian's trademark, that's your problem. That sort of offtopicness isn't very conductive to good, non confusing, conversation. You're more than welcome to go and make a new thread. There's *nothing wrong* with having lots of threads. Each thread doesn't have to be about some tiny little aspect, you can ask broader questions, or have broader topics of conversation. Just *remember what the original thing in the thread was about*. Going off topic a *little* is okay, but not being totally random with it, or keeping on doing it, or hijacking the conversation totally without going and making a new thread. |
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Post by Illyria on Jun 1, 2007 21:09:04 GMT 10
Like I say, I can see both sides... I'm just wondering if there is a point in having more than one thread for virtually the same thing sometimes *shrug* I'm thinking more about off topic stuff - obviously for the L&W side of things you'd want to have different threads for different things, seeing as that's the theme of the board itself, for example a thread about "Col" the character and a thread about "Colin" the actor - because both are different and you can discuss different things about them. But it's not my board so I'm not in charge of the rules, and I do respect the Mods (because I'm one myself elsewhere and I like to have respect from my members ) so it's obviously up to you guys. I was just offering a different perspective on things (because after all, what would the world be like if everyone thought the same way?) Eg. We could have 2 threads for certain things - one could be for general discussion, and the other could be for spoilers, so that people who haven't seen what's being discussed (eg. the 3rd PotC film) can avoid being spoilt (because that happened to me, I saw something and immediately backed out of the thread thinking "Ooh I don't think I should know that yet..." - that can be a little annoying for some people)... Buuut anyway! I think that's all I have to say now so I'll leave it at that. |
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Post by Illyria on Jun 1, 2007 21:28:00 GMT 10
Eg. We could have 2 threads for certain things - one could be for general discussion, and the other could be for spoilers, so that people who haven't seen what's being discussed (eg. the 3rd PotC film) can avoid being spoilt (because that happened to me, I saw something and immediately backed out of the thread thinking "Ooh I don't think I should know that yet..." - that can be a little annoying for some people)... And now that I've written that I just noticed in the "Off Topic" section there is a PotC 3 thread that says "no spoilers" Although, why is one in "Off Topic", and the other in "Media"? |
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Post by liz on Jun 1, 2007 22:19:56 GMT 10
coz it hasnt been moved yet. Was going to move it before the net stuffed up earlier and am about to do that now.
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Post by nyandra on Jun 1, 2007 22:27:09 GMT 10
Eg. We could have 2 threads for certain things - one could be for general discussion, and the other could be for spoilers, so that people who haven't seen what's being discussed (eg. the 3rd PotC film) can avoid being spoilt (because that happened to me, I saw something and immediately backed out of the thread thinking "Ooh I don't think I should know that yet..." - that can be a little annoying for some people)... And now that I've written that I just noticed in the "Off Topic" section there is a PotC 3 thread that says "no spoilers" Although, why is one in "Off Topic", and the other in "Media"? Because that one is about me going in costume to see POTC. NOT about the movie itself, it was about the geeky experience. |
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Post by Illyria on Jun 1, 2007 22:55:07 GMT 10
Aah... spose that's fair enough *shrug*
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) and gradually start talking about something else to do with Frank in that thread, then by all means, make another thread if you're on a roll with it!
) And what's wrong with 10,000 threads? It'd be a little time-consuming but it'd definitely liven up the forum!
